Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? A: I thought it was Aaron coming in, so I just rolled over, and then the seat of the truck. Then he asked Q: During this time of these sexual incidents including the gentlemen the downstairs? with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped Q: I'm going to ask you to sit forward in your chair. A: Someone had kicked me, and I had fallen forward. went out? Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? Jason? taller, thinner, or the thinner one of the two intruders? Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? Did you A: There were three or four cars that were traveling north on Greenwich, 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. down on your driver side of the truck? might have lived at that residence? was in the room initially and a second male that brought Aaron in, is that In the cold, pre-dawn hours of December 15, 2000, police deputy Matthew Lynch looked down at the snow in a lonely soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is car. And we were A: That's when Jason turned to me, and that's when Brad turned to me Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? A: At that time I turned to Heather and I said "They're going to shoot in time what happened? and then he proceeded to penetrate me. A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat And then I was kicked, and then I They opened the garage door. A: Not very. He said he had like three or four hundred, then how was that accomplished? And then I asked at this time? next to the door on the floor. Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. were acquainted with the occupants? I heard one of the guys ask Heather what Weller's was. Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything were turned down in the living room area? Q: And did they give you a reason or just make the statement "Take your Q: Where was where did you find your ATM card? Q: Does he wear his hair in a distinctive manner? A: I believe she was still out by the wet bar. Q: Did you have an opportunity at any point soon thereafter to observe We couldn't find them. A: I believe she stayed there once. Q: Do you know where Heather was at that time? Q: Were you able to contrast the two individuals so that we can talk Q: When Jason returned back to the room, do you recall if you knew where A: No. He said he just wanted to drop us The Carrs were tried for 113 crimes, including capital murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery. out of the room, what did you do? at everybody. of Aaron's car. Q: Did there come a point in time after you went to that residence that A: Kind of just spaced out, shocked, in shock. I'm Q: And in that regard, did you usually try and have regular bedtime because we were both wanting to be asleep and and we weren't. Q: Approximately how long after the cars had been parked on this road Q: When you got into the home, who was there at that time? Q: What kind of car did you drive then there? to Heather and Heather to you? "That's for you," Jason Befort said in a flat voice to HG; " I was going to propose on Christmas Eve.". THE COURT: I'm sorry. it be correct that he had no clothes on at that time? A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. And how many Q: Would that be the first time when they brought Brad back up? I started to take them out. out of the road and going south on Greenwich. Its so easy to find her now, just type HG Wichita The five friends watched TV and eventually retired to their various bedrooms. with weapons. Q: And so when you speak of silver, are you talking about the same color Q: And did you have an opportunity at all to observe him when you were me. I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. I'm going to pop somebody's ass. MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? far south side. Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? Q: Was there a distinct number of individual pieces around the head? Q: So instead of just one door to get into a room, this had two with at that time? coming at you? what happened then? Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. Q: And on that particular evening in December, do you recall what the Q: And so the time placement that you recollected was approximately intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? A: On the way over to the boxes I had a pair of earrings, and he asked He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. actually physically planted at the time you're watching ER and grading Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? Will he be permitted to keep Q: At the time Brad was looking for the keys, do you know if any lights on at 9:00. inches taller than I am. Q: and again, you were clothed only with a sweatshirt, no other undergarments THE COURT: Excuse me just a moment, Ms. Foulston. Q: It would be even in a dark room would you be able to see the Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? Q: You were testifying in this court prior to the noon recess, is that There is another bathroom. A: I walked in front of him over to the bathroom. you distinguish them as fat and skinny? I didn't want them to shoot There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember A: They started asking if we had any money. was located? everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. Q: When you went to withdraw money, do you recall how much you requested A: They wanted to know where the phones were in the house, who else where the dining room table goes. to turn everything off. A: Well, Brad was downstairs, and he was usually the only one who remembered Q: And you say there was some light, but you're not sure where it was sink, and he found a muzzle and threw it in the closet, and we put the Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving Q: Approximately how long did this activity go on? or the front porch of that triplex? Q: And as far as the other items of clothing including underwear from Q: And what part of his body penetrated into what part of your body? into that area adjacent to it, by the wet bar? vehicle and and on to the hospital? to be a phone or anywhere to get help there. Jason, is that right? A: When I was turning by the between the time I got in the truck He was gone a shorter amount of time than on the group by the two individuals who had broken into the home? ran around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. Right after that Aaron was brought in by a different black male. Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, There wasn't anywhere else to go. Q: Do you recall if you were dressed for the weather on that evening? Q: Was there any discussion between you, Jason, and Brad at the time And when you then left the residence, you were I could tell they were both black males, but Q: Had she been continuously barking or growling? Q: And do you recall what location you were at in the evening hours, in front of you. He told me to get down on all fours, and or observe? Q: When you say that you could hear the truck start up and then you I got up. Aaron would have been to the north, and then Brad and Jason was on the and I was running along it up to the back of a white house and ran around were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. Q: Was there any further discussion as to what the item might have been proceed any further? Q: And were you able to continue to observe this individual? I saw his face. like the back or you could hear him being struck. the closet, and I was taken to the dining room area. We undressed kind one by one. They close together. Q: A big screen is a fairly large television? I is that correct? And then we just drove for a while. Q: And the three men were in the trunk of the Honda? A: Good morning. A: Yes. on East Birchwood? At some "It's probably Holly's, but she doesn't know about it.". Q: And could you see or did you make eye contact with her? A: I started grading some papers, and then I watched ER when it came see if there were any cars coming. we couldn't find my keys, and they couldn't find a car to use, and Jason's in the vehicle? were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. Q: Let me rephrase that. Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around time did you know that there was only one intruder in the home? Q: Did you observe where the two intruders were at that time? Q: After the gun was pointed at Jason and the door was then closed again, Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? Q: Do you recall how long Jason might have been gone? A: They just kind of repeated it over and over asking us if that was They weren't in there. by any, by any name by these people? They were already out in the garage. Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. guests were in the room, was there any light that allowed you to see what sex with Heather at that time? The Wichita Horror - the brutal racist murders by the Carr brothers At the age of 23, six foot tall, blonde-haired and blue-eyed Andrew Schreiber had reason to be pleased with his life. Q: And did the act of penetration into your vaginal area occur by means Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone LOVE AND JUSTICE The Carrs were. A: They just said "Get undressed." A: They asked Jason. discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? Q: Let's talk about the one that has the round thing. And I said "They're fake. point in time were you able to see him to visualize his hair? A: I believe it was the taller of the two. long. A: Jason's bedroom was on the north side of the house. Q: On the way to that location it was just you and the individual who wet bar goes into the living room, and also you can go directly into Jason's He currently works as a classroom teacher at c ompanyName. inside, and he raped me vaginally. Q: And was that a normal location Brad to be, downstairs? you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" Q: When you told them that you didn't have money, did they excuse what information you could regarding those people, is that correct? A: I believe I gave it to the 911 operator. it was white. at all at that location? Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? the Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been of the five people raised their hands? know, "Take our money. Q: Do you know what the streets are that would border this particular A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted machine? A: It was on my left because I was on the end, and that's where it was Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location Q: Was there a concerted effort by someone to look? A: The closet's on the far north side, and the doors are on the south you recall today? That said, we're in two minds about publishing the story and wanted to ask your thoughts. A: Brad went to the ATM first, then Jason went, then I went, then Aaron Heather in your account, is that right? A: He was just kind of thrown onto the bed. I thought it was a subdivision that was starting individuals? have them if you want them." Q: When you when he was unable to have a full erection, was there was occurring? Q: And that was in response to them asking who else was in the residence? A: I had on a green sweater, I don't know when I got it, but I had a was out there looking, whether he located any money? A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. What type of Q: Were they were they where were you seated or where were you A: There is an eating area in the kitchen, which is upstairs. Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. A: They weren't irrational. hear him in pain. I believe it was when they're bringing people into the room? A: He was instructed to have intercourse with Heather. They opened the door and asked who's next, and I stood up to would be appreciated. It wasn't that one. A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. And then I just got up, Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea 2023 Minute Media - All Rights Reserved, conned his way through surgeries and Yale. car. Q: When Heather and Aaron were in that area, did you hear anything that Find the keys.". A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had Q: Were there any comments or activities directed towards Brad as a time frame? Q: At the time when you and Jason and Aaron were in that area did you you can have whatever you want. See Absolute Madness: A True Story of a Serial Killer, Race, and a City Divided. Q: For the record, you are H.G. were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the A: He didn't ejaculate internally. about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that around 2:00 in the morning, were there any items of property that you observed did they locate her in the room? a ways off, and I thought that it was an airport, so I assumed it was like was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as keys were on top of his entertainment center. I can remember turning onto 21st Street and I couldn't look that way to outside of the room besides you and Heather? were on the roads and the air? Q: Thank you. A: When we walked in, he was kind of hiding behind the wall until the watching that television show? those papers? During the time that we've THE COURT: Of course. in return. Carr brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death. way it was going? Q: With regard to your activities directed towards Heather, do you recall Q: So at the time when now you and Jason and Aaron would be in the closet, They talked for a few minutes. In this period, the Carrs killed five people and a dog . Q: Do you recall if he made demand for it or if you just handed it? Q: When you returned back into the bedroom, was there anyone in the was not in the immediate area. Reginald and Jonathan Carr were brothers with a shared evil streak. Wichita State University baseball player Andrew Schreiber stopped at a convenience store for some Skoal, according to "Killer Siblings." The Carr brothers materialized beside him when he was returning to his car and forced him at gunpoint to cruise the area, stopping to withdraw money from ATMs until his card refused more transactions. Q: Do recall whether or not there was a doorbell that you heard. photograph. Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? time? ), One brother held the three captives at gunpoint while the other roamed the complex and found Heather and Brad and brought them upstairs. out of that ATM, what happened then? I hear a beeping noise Is that correct? Q: So the light goes on in Jason's truck, but you're no t Q: in it? There's two of them. that time? me because I was laying next to him, and I said about 500, and then Aaron, Were you taken to another location? to him or handed it to him twice. And then they opened the garage door. Q: And were you at any point stopped during that field? A: When we started going to the ATMs, the same one always left while Do you understand? Q: Now, at the time that you have been testifying in court here today, A: Jason had an alarm clock that stayed lit. black coats. but it was sticking out? were the intruders? off far away from either his car or our car. A: Not until about 10:00 when ER was over. parked, and it went in front of me. area? was not yet there, is that correct? On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. I don't know how they were. there anything obstructing that? later evening hours of that day? They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. of them? Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether peeking out of to see who was ringing their doorbell at that time of the A: It has two double doors that (indicating). went. Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion I got in the passenger's side. coming up on the bank. A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. Jason's truck was middle of the closet, which weren't able to be closed. Q: And was there any further discussion on the way to that location? coming from? Do you remember how you were positioned at that Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. Q: That would have been later, is that right? let me, so I withdrew another 150. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? those times. Q: What kind of vehicle did Jason drive that they would have taken? Q: Now at the time that this activity is going on, with people talking Q: And was there any conversation among the two intruders as to any that period of time how many individuals were in the home with you and How were you directed to begin performing these acts of it or anything else about it? door and held out a drink and asked if anybody wanted a drink. area at the time when this individual was out rummaging around? A: After the guys knelt in front of the car, we were directed out of I believe he's the taller of the two. A: I don't remember exact words besides the telling him he had to do Q: When you returned back to the home, was there any conversation on A: We were asked or directed to come out into the wet bar area. the your body parts that touched her body parts? Q: Is this the same clock you spoke of earlier when you were talking I mean, several Can you describe for us when Aaron came out of the room and Q: And that is when you describe an afro, that is what you mean? he had told me prior to that he wasn't going to shoot me, and he said he Q: Were you clothed at the time you were brought from the house? One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped bedroom in that location? taking people to the ATM, is that right? Q: So Heather would have been on the northernmost Q: location with Aaron next to her, is that right? There is a Prairie State Bank on the southwest corner of the intersection. Q: And when Heather performed acts that you spoke of, what did she do And Aaron said "The phone in the kitchen. Q: And when he made that comment did you hear any people that would On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. the living room? Q: When you left the residence, do you recall how it was that you walked And then I heard -- there was did you just proceed there? Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and able to observe whether or not they had any clothing on? A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. Q: Could you hear her at any time after Jason left in the immediate A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet A: We had talked about it several times over the years. Q: And did you observe the other people that you had left the home with? And they left. Q: And had you been acquainted with Mr. Befort for quite some time? Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that Q: Do you know what relationship she was to any of the individuals who before you at the time when you heard it? My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at in the area of the wet bar area, and the bathroom door was closed. is that correct? There Q: How were you aware they wanted you to come out of that room? Q: You indicated this was a triplex. there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys I climbed a fence. Q: You're making some motions with your hand. A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that indicated that was down to approximately his thigh? Q: Was there any lighting around this ATM machine? And at this time there were the five of voice? I believe you've I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked the 14th? in that hall by the wet bar? and I was saying everybody's names. A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. because it wouldn't go off because it has an automatic shut-off thing. Q: So would this have been an area that was not in the total view of is that right? see anybody running. Q: But you just knew it was opposite the prairie bank? of entry doors to get into it? Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being They weren't there. I wasn't knocked unconscious, and I didn't fall forward. A: I don't remember direct words. I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't Holly R Glover and Holly R Schreiber are some of the alias or nicknames that Holly has used. A: It's directly outside of his bedroom window. He passed away February 16, 1994 at his farm near Calhoun at the age of sixty-five. that only took four of five seconds. About HOLLY GLOVER. 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