Modern astronomer, modern hunter and ancient villager all use strange words, and when it is an astronomer we say jargon, and when it is an ancient villager we say tabu and when it is a modern hunter who behaves like the ancient villager we hesitate. The Flaxen Wave (Newcastle, N.S.W., Australia is now the largest coal-exporting city in the world, though it does not seem to be called Newcastle on Hunter.) Indo-European does not begin to compete. Your Uralic data suggest that that may indeed be the case. Garca Salinas may be knowledgeable about sharks, but I wouldnt trust him on nomenclature. This proposal and name have met with widespread acceptance. Somehow. The associacin de academias de la lengua espaola has a dictionary of americanismos. All comments are copyright their original posters. , that is, (beast) of a wild image, species. Also Im going to sing. I know it parses differently, but it seems interesting (and maybe relevant?) So the only remaining question is why he didnt go for hair or spike as the second element when he coined the word. Melville knew that whales are not fish,but whales fit into the fisheries group. My impression is that historical linguists love company. The orders NounPostposition, VerbAuxiliary, Relative ClauseHead Noun, and AdjectiveNoun are all correlated and thus they tend to co-occur with SOV order cross-linguistically (see Word Order). Language Log I was reminded about the subthread above about pez/pescado as terms for fish, when reading an article about replenishing (slow reproducing) sharks by cultivating viable egg cases: Unlike in Malta, Valencias fish market doesnt offer whole sharks for sale to scour for egg cases; by the time they make it to the market, sharks are nothing but a piece of white fish, or a swordfish look-alike. Im not sure though that even this method gives better results than pencil and paper. https://escholarship.org/uc/item/3128r3sw. Gk. I have no idea what it could mean back then, now people who deal with the sea naturall call this way that lives there (Natrix tessellata) In Lopit, an Eastern Nilotic language, nouns are usually fixed as masculine or feminine, with no clear motivation or reliable rules for the gender assignment in the case of sexless referents, but feminine can replace masculine for bigger things and vice versa (contrary to the usual pattern.) Another commonality is the general development observed across children from rote-learning of unanalyzed items to partial productivity followed by command of structure-dependent rules and generalizations, which are subsequently constrained by conventions of lexical and discourse usage. I keep forgetting to ask what the singulative of mud, silt means. Is it another situation when a word was Revealed to people by God and since then A-sts say borrowed from B-tic, impossible on A-tic ground and B-sts say impossible on B-tic ground, borrowed from A? This is the region of greatest internal genetic diversity within all of Oti-Volta, but its also a Sprachbund, as is apparent from the happy accident that the Western Oti-Volta language Boulba has wandered into the area, and participated in almost (but not quite) all the phonological changes that Manessy thought were inherited common innovations demarcating his Eastern Oti-Volta grouping. MetaFilter Skinner (1975:477) suggests Mitic, based on the part common to the terms Hamitic and Semitic; he also suggests Noahitic, following Biblical precedent. For me at least. Weirs are a pretty ancient technology for channeling river fish in order to catch them, and I believe there were very early neolithic fishing settlements in places like the Iron Gates on the Danube and in the Pontic steppe on rivers leading into the Black Sea. In Greek, the earliest attestations seem to come from scholia, but figuring out when they actually date to is beyond me right now. Though not as cool as Oti-Volta, obvs.) Thus, the goal of the current study is to redescribe the material currently assigned to [], in light of recent anatomical (re)descriptions of a number of [] and as part of a broader reappraisal of []. Ruhlen-level stuff. He has a book, Archaeology, Language and African Past. After all listik exists alonside sg. Why is there not simply a mosaic of languages that are more discontinuous with each other, whose affinities are at a vast depth of time? Lexical representation and organization of a French verb with a single root (manger, to eat), and of a French verb with two roots (vendre, to sell). But thats no substitute for actual evidence that something really happened.). Your email address will not be published. And I meant hablai, not hablei. (Trans. Id use Wow! instead. This population potentially introduced the Y chromosome haplogroup J1 into the region (Chiaroni et al., 2010; Lazaridis et al., 2016). In this regard, also compare the side-by-side existence of Spanish pez fish (as a animal) and pescado caught fish, fish (considered as food), where we might see the sort of situation that existed in Brittonic when the inherited Brittonic word (still in the River Usk, probably) was pushed out by the loanword from Latin pisctus. Yes, thats what I meant: with such an abundance of, hedge, pike, spike, pin, spine, tine, brod, iron, sea urchin, hengehog and other The comment on Pre-Sumerian substratum made my eyebrow go up. I dont think that replacing the sedentary tribes was the objective, but I think that they equestrian raids would put such a load on these peoples that they couldnt survive. Mehri and Harsusi kob dog form a cognate set (distinct from kalb). Nianyans Turkish Etymological Dictionary I think the main mechanism is trade. The values assigned to the phonetic characters of this earliest Semitic scriptcharacters of pictographic formwere determined by the initial consonant of the Semitic word for the symbol depicted, rather than by any phonetic value associated with a corresponding Egyptian symbol. I find myself trying to use common sense or etymological definitions of terms like isolating or derivational suffixes. (Maybe more controversially: I have a somewhat bleak views on how much value non-paradigmatic and non-semantically-quirky grammatical evidence has for anything in one-or-two-segment comparisons, high odds of chance resemblance quickly dilutes the value of even exact formal identities. Oh dear. In standard historical linguistics, all the arguments are laid out and you can argue whether they are valid, based on what is known about language change. Since the three traditional branches of the Hamitic languages (Berber, Cushitic and Egyptian) have not been shown to form an exclusive (monophyletic) phylogenetic unit of their own, separate from other Afroasiatic languages, linguists no longer use the term in this sense. For I saw Mehri/Jibbali/Soqotri words that you quoted and random stuff like: saydoman.com: This new era of Almaradam has made it necessary for us to change our brand into a more global looking brand where Almaradam has evolved into Sayd Oman. Distinguishing the true from the false cognates is what making the tree is for. Sometimes thats good enough but I feel like I need to nail this stuff down or at least have a more practical reference at hand than wiki linguistics entries. Lizoks Bookshelf It has little to do with the argument about whether cognate morphemes in Niger-Congo affixing systems constitute proof or otherwise of the reality of the phylum. assumed that entities like Niger-Kordofanian were actual demonstrated things, yes, this overlaps with what I meant by the stupid thing about those families. I feel I should make a small defence of computers, along the lines of Garbage-in Garbage-out. Here Blench is explicitly confusing the method with the data. It is in the dictionary of XVIII century. @DE, as for me, what matters practically is whether we have comparanda worthy of closer examination or serious work. may testify to the arrival of these new population groups. * I myself would be quite OK with this, although I would probably think rather that Proto-Mande had in fact lost the class system. ), https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officina_gentium_aut_velut_certe_vagina_nationum. to pick an IE homeland in Anatolia, but they used a computer. (I may be unfair. Gray & Atkinson used the cognate sets as characters and presence/absence thereof as the states. visserij (maybe from older vischerij, but I have not checked), corresponding to OF pescherie. The second is a much more general problem, a major hiatus in theory among historical linguists everywhere and not just among Nilo-Saharianists. Viva Messi!) unhappy part of the world I googled for Ushari Ahmed Mahmoud mentioned by Thelwall, and It seems Sudanese governments love to arrest people named so. But even more positive assessments may have trouble with Dogon (see below).. The classical case is stemmatics. @Y: Did you copy some of those dates wrong? If whales arent fish then probably neither are sharks. There is no similarity between Arabic languages( languages of Assyrian and Babylonians) which are called hebrew by some people with bantu languages On the other hand, Hanga, which is so similar to Dagbani and Mampruli grammatically and phonologically that you could pretty much use a Mampruli grammar for it (if there was one), has half a dozen words in the Swadesh 100 list which are completely unrelated to anything in Oti-Volta, so Swadeshing would falsely classify it as farther from Mampruli than Kusaal is. He shows 9 reasonable cognates and claims the stock of basic Meroitic words is only at 30. I cant find it now, but theres a letter in Old Nubian where geminated ds wander into g according to the transliterator. For Turkana, someone should write The Concept of Carrot. Greenbergs method can produce a good preliminary classification. ), Perhaps not even Ehret. His proposed Proto-NES form for sister as given there is *kdt, however. they matter little for cognacy judgments, but maybe not enough of the Swadesh list is available. For pescado it has sense 1: Mx, Gu, Ho, ES, Ni, Pa, Cu, PR, Co, Ve, Ec, Pe, Bo, Py. As for Nilo-Saharan, earlier this month I managed to present something making the case for Songhay and Saharan being related, Is it available anywhere? So, while fish in their wild state were all different kinds of kud, the activities that transformed fish into culturally significant products were a little more fine-grained in their taxonomy. Substrates look like a plausible explanation, though of course that means little unless you can actually identify at least the language family of the potential substrate. Googling an issue raised in the paper, the probably spurious Oropom language, I wound up with a reference to a paper by Lameen. This supposed uniformity is just an artefact of largely evidence-free lumping. Both authors used the skin-color, mode of subsistence, and other characteristics of native speakers as part of their arguments that particular languages should be grouped. . Languagehat.com reserves the right to alter or delete any questionable material posted on this site. Shark also appears there alongside with the recently discussed coin: hle fish fr Oman in BRO 84f ist nicht nur hele = Hai wie in RHO II:13, sondern allgemeine Bezeichnung: sayd and hle are synonyms. That might reflect contamination from ygemde . If it was from Latin or Greek, I honestly do not know what were the main book Latin and Greek words for porcupine:(. Certainly, the total available biomass of salt-water fish is much greater. To use the last sentence in a shop selling food would imply that it sells live fish (whether or not it also sells dead fish). The most striking case is Altaic, where one group of scholars produces thousands of reconstructed forms, and another denies that the major branches are even related. 2. The assumption that phonaesthetic processes do not act to make concepts such as body parts phonologically and structurally similar in ways that bypass inherited patterns. Hes got lots of papers on academia.edu if you can bear all the spam that results from merely brushing past the site. The tone correspondence Gurma L = WOV H is regular, if somewhat puzzling. There, Mesopotamian culture is more pervasive than at Ebla, where native traditions in art and in religion are apparent. (This is not just some cranky-amateur individual opinion of my own: the communis opinio has been changing on this for a while now.). In the case of the French verb system, verbs featuring a single root are listed under this common root, while verbs featuring more than one root have separate, but linked, listings under each root. @January First-of-May: The Biblical Aramaic date was the other one that jumped out at me as clearly wrong, but Y explained above what happened there. Courtesy Glenn M. Schwartz. The Beringia of NW Europe. My distinguished source was the wiki for aurochs. But could this article on an Old Nubian letter help you believe his assertion that The /g/ is just the development of an ancient *d as aneffect of dissimilation is more than just cherry-picking.
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